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December 6, 2004

The Corner Versus Clique Bloggers

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Jonah Goldberg posted an interesting thought from an anonymous blogger about why the Corner mightn't be treated with the due blog chic:

Why don't hardcore bloggers consider The Corner a blog? Well, ya'll are missing a couple of key elements that separate you from the rest of the blogosphere: a blogroll and links within posts to other blogs.

Beyond occasional links to Glenn Reynolds, The Corner writers rarely connect with the rest of the blogosphere. You have no one to blame but yourselves for this reputation.

(How ironic is it that the blogger wished to remain anonymous?)

The response to the emailer can be summed up in two words: Andrew Sullivan. No blogroll, and not a noticeably more defined habit of linking to the great unknown masses of blogs. The anonymous blogger's suggestions almost imply a conscious retaliation against the Corner, and I don't believe that to be the case.

As one of the bloggers who participated in the Right Wing News poll that kicked this discussion off, I'd suggest two other reasons that the Corner mightn't come to mind when folks discuss blogs:

  1. Its thorough integration with the rest of NRO. The lack of blogroll, in my view, is mainly of significance in this respect. With the organizational design, the Corner feels more like a component of www.nationalreview.com than a standalone blog. Look at John Hawkins's categories for his RWN poll: I, for one, paused about whether to count NRO in both the "Group Blog" category and the "Favorite Political Website That's Not A Blog" category. I could be wrong, but I don't think other mag-blogs are treated much differently. Whatever the case, if status as part of the total NRO package is something that the Corner wishes to change, I'd suggest that applying a distinct look-'n'-feel would be more effective than just adding a blogroll.
  2. The fact that it's a group blog for name pundits. And so many of them! I suspect that if the Corner were only another vehicle for Jonah, or even just a half-dozen NRO regulars (listed along the side as the official bloggers), it would feel more like a regular ol' blog. With the many contributors, some of whom stop in only once in a great while when they've something specifically relevant to say, the "personality" of the blog becomes less distinguishable from NRO in general.

As for the matter of links within posts, I can personally attest that more Corner bloggers than Andrew Stuttaford link to the rest of us. It's just much more difficult to catch their attention. (I've gotten the impression that Stuttaford is mostly notable, here, because for a while he was the house blogger for the weekend, when both traffic and email ebb.)

Glenn Reynolds is different, in this respect, because Instapundit's emphasis has long been on linking, rather than extensive original content. But when dealing with public figures who blog, you have to remember that they receive tons of email. If somebody's blog post is more or less identical to 100 emails from random readers, another blogger is going to be less likely to think, "Wow. I have to post that."

Posted by Justin Katz at December 6, 2004 12:15 PM
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Since Jonah has never responded to my subtle blog-whoring attempts, I have to lean towards NRO being more of a Big Media thing than a true Blog. But in all seriousness, the lack of an immediate comment section or a blogroll begins to indicate to me that the Corner is simply a less formal NRO article section. What is the point of delination between a true blog and an extension of Big Media? Its hard to say, but I would venture that the responsiveness of the author(s) to their readers is a fairly decisive criterion. Once traffic gets to a certain point and authors get sufficently remote, then its no longer a blog as I understand the concept.

Posted by: David at December 6, 2004 1:24 PM

This is a pretty good explanation of why some bloggers don't think of the Corner as a blog. But it suggests that the distinction in their heads and in their pride, not necessarily in the Corner itself. As Terry Pratchett says (approximately) in Carpe Jugulum, "There's no sense in looking at a dog and saying that ain't a dog because a dog don't look like that."

The Corner is a bunch of people posting short, daily thoughts on mostly focused issues (with the occasional foray into Worlds Unknown) that relies heavily on links for the rest of the story, features conversation and debate between members, and isolates each entry for individual linking. It's a blog. (A blog which I've read just about every post on, I might add...which makes it pretty much the only one like that for me.)

Posted by: slarrow at December 6, 2004 1:37 PM

The Corner is absolutely a blog. Arguably, the top conservative-minded blog on the Internet. No, it's not as link-heavy to other blogs as it might otherwise be, but for me this is a plus, not a minus. Blogs linking endlessly to blogs linking endlessly to blogs becomes a rather inbred process of information exchange. The Corner typically manages to be fresh and informative, without clutter, and with some of the best conservative thinking on display anywhere on the Web. Which is why I check it many times per day.

Posted by: Brad R. Torgersen at December 6, 2004 2:26 PM

I think you hit the nail on the head, especially point two. I don't think that the corner isn't a blog; I just don't think it's a very good blog. In my opinion a blog must have unity. That unity can either be in the form of one blogger or one topic. You either get one person's view of a whole bunch of topics which gives the blog a distinct personality (that of it's blogger), or you get a bunch of opinions, posts, etc, on a single topic of interest. To me, the Corner is just disjointed. There are too many posts, it's not organized very well, you can't sort by topic or poster. I generally only visit it when someone else has linked to it, and even then don't stay around for very long.

Posted by: Michael at December 6, 2004 2:39 PM

Let's face it. NRO gets the shaft because it lacks that non-corporate pluckiness, that frontier spirit. Bloggers see themselves on the Oregon Trail of the web. NRO, which I read often, is has a fancy “here comes Mister City Slicker” thing going. We’re George Bailey and they’re Mr. Potter. We’re the mom and pop store and they’re Wal-Mart. I may shop at Wal-Mart, but I wouldn’t vote for it as the best store in town.

Posted by: Downto at December 6, 2004 5:37 PM

The Corner is just what its name implies. It's a place for the paid NRO writers to congregate. Go to any red state small town and stop at the intersection of Main St. and 1st street. You'll see the Corner. It's the bar. Or, in most small towns, four bars, one on each corner. The Corner on NRO is not a blog. It's a social gathering for the elite of Conservatism. They're the party table in the middle that we eavesdrop on. In short, the only useful thing I've gained from the Corner are Jonah's timewasters. I prefer the excellence presented on the main page and in NRODT.

Posted by: Eric at December 7, 2004 4:14 AM

I think you've analyzed this pretty well. Care to try next for my favorite, "Is Canterbury Tales really an epic?"

The problem of genre boundaries is on ample display in these comments. People take pride in being "in" one form or another, and that's OK. It's part of what makes the forms survive and get perfected.

It's also what corrupts them, though. Take free verse, which as an anti-form had some interesting uses, but has since become the uber-egalitarian mushing of all poetic urges into mere ejaculation.

I agree with your suggestions about The Corner. If NRO wants to *contain* The Corner, then The Corner's not going to quite get its due among blogs. OTOH, what makes The Corner interesting is precisely that we're invited into that little after-hours bar for top-notch conservative thinkers; it's the chat between the finished articles that keeps us going.

It's a real decision to be made, and there are several different ways The Corner could head. I'd love to see The Corner "dress up" a bit and stand alone, with NRO and The Corner pointing to each other more, but I have to admit: I loved NRO first, and I'd be sorry if NRO suffered for The Corner's success.

Cheers,
PGE

Posted by: pgepps at December 7, 2004 4:37 AM