I hope proponents of gay marriage blush a little when they lift up Britney Spears as exhibit W. I mean, come on. But if somebody like Deroy Murdock is willing to put the argument together and offer it in all seriousness, I suppose I'm willing to listen.
Social conservatives are working overtime to argue that gay marriage would imperil straight matrimony. They say that if Jack and Joe were united, till death do them part, they would jeopardize husbands and wives, from sea to shining sea. ...
It would be far easier to take these claims seriously if gay-marriage critics spent as much energy denouncing irresponsible heterosexuals whose behavior undermines traditional marriage. Among prominent Americans, such misdeeds are increasingly ubiquitous.
As evidence, Murdock submits 1) Britney Spears's 55-hour marriage, 2) David Letterman's out-of-wedlock child, and 3) Jerry Seinfeld's home-wrecking mojo. I suppose it would take the argument a bit more seriously than it deserves to point out that to collect these three together, Murdock had to go all the way back to 1998 for number 3. Once again, I say: come on now. Would those who stump for gay marriage be willing to hold up Britney, David, and Jerry's peers as the representative sample for their cause?
John Derbyshire gives this quick response on his way to commentary on Britney more generally:
The short answer is that if a customary social institution is trashed and trivialized by irresponsible buffoons, we ought to exert more control over it to tighten access, not loosen it.
There is, I think, something more basic to the difference between Spears and same sex marriage. Nobody seriously believes that the pop star entered into anything other than a legal marriage. She got a license, but it might as well have been a phony one. She demeaned Nevada's marriage law more than she demeaned the institution of marriage.
In the case of gay marriage, especially if imposed nationally by the courts, it is the very definition of marriage that will be rocked. Such an assault challenges the idea of what marriage is. Those SSM advocates who cite Britney's ceremony with a straight face must argue that the weekend prank counts, not just as a legal marriage, but as what the rest of us would consider marriage to be. Perhaps one reason that prominent social conservatives haven't been all over the talk shows attacking Britney for this is because they would look silly. For one thing, what Britney represents more generally has attracted much conservative denunciation. Derb, whose tone is properly (in my opinion) light throughout his piece, calls her "an instrument of Satan."
But the sheer brevity of Mr. and Mrs. Spears's "marriage" and the tabloid quality of its characters push it clearly across the line, far removed from Marriage, into limelight high jinks. A central objection to gay marriage, on the other hand, is the very fact that it will be Marriage. The issue's social component is the equation of gay and straight relationships on every front, not just legal contracts. Yet, reduction of the institution to legal contracts so as to push it through the courts is one of the ways in which gay marriage will harm it.
I feel comfortable suggesting that there isn't a sane person in the country who would react with indignant outrage were I to suggest that Britney Spears's marriage was not a real marriage and was, in fact, an abomination. What, do you suppose, would be the reaction were I to say the same thing about gay marriages in a country in which such a thing existed?
Which brings us back to my amazement that serious and intelligent people are using gossip industry fare to make sincere social arguments about a very important matter. Social conservatives who do the same have been mocked as laughable prigs for decades. Funny how the rules and the roles change.
Posted by Justin Katz at January 10, 2004 10:17 AMMarriage is a word. How is it different from civil union?
Is it for child-bearing? Then you'd better forbid those who are infertile.
Is it for sexual exclusivity? Then adultry should be criminalized.
Is it an economic contract? Then why not handle unions under contract law and leave the word marriage to the churches, who are free to marry whomever they wish?
So far, I haven't heard a logical argument against gay marriage; only that the phrase "gay marriage" makes conservatives jitter about with anxiety.
Posted by: Bill Peschel at January 11, 2004 7:45 PMBill,
I just finished a rather lengthy discussion with somebody else that covered the issue from start to finish (not surprisingly, we didn't ultimately resolve our differences), and I'm not ready to jump in again at the moment. Nonetheless, some quick answers:
Marriage is a word. How is it different from civil union?
"Civil union" is two words. Actually, I take a bit less hard of a line on the civil union front than some conservatives. I'd allow legislatures to enact civil union laws, although I don't think it would be proper or legal for them to premise entry into such unions on sexual orientation. But if homosexuals were to "claim" the new arrangement and to form its social feel over time, I wouldn't object, as a public policy matter. But in order to preserve the institution of marriage, it's important that civil unions be clearly on a different "track," both for its image and for subsequent legislation bearing on it.
Is it for child-bearing? Then you'd better forbid those who are infertile.
Two answers. Even infertile couples can form the ideal family arrangement (man, woman, and children), albeit not with children of their own. Also, in order to exclude infertile couples, the government would have to put into place measures that would hurt marriage by making its entry arduous.
Is it for sexual exclusivity? Then adultry should be criminalized.
Hey, I've said before that if gay marriage advocates were to come to the table backing both gay marriage and strong laws against adultery, then I'd be willing to listen. Haven't heard it suggested yet, though...
So far, I haven't heard a logical argument against gay marriage
Well then you're not looking very hard.
"So far, I haven't heard a logical argument against gay marriage; only that the phrase 'gay marriage' makes conservatives jitter about with anxiety." I only just made your acquaintance this morning on this weblog. But it's already obvious that you don't hear what you don't like, and then you pretend that nobody said it.
Posted by: ELC at January 12, 2004 7:35 AM
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